Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
Michael,
Thanks for dropping by on my blog and giving me your encouragement to our campaign. I knew that you wouldn't be able to resist sharing a few comments in regards to my "don't be a wanker" campaign. After all there is no one better than you to tell us about wanking especially after answering the following question on national TV on the "SBS Insight program".
"JENNY BROCKIE: Michael Linden, you were donating sperm in the 80’s..
MICHAEL LINDEN, DONOR: 77 actually.
JENNY BROCKIE: 77, did you think about any of this when you were donating sperm?
MICHAEL LINDEN: No, never gave it a thought. I wasn't...I wasn't given any counselling as is offered to donors now. I was...in fact I believe, frankly, I was misled in the sense that I was never.....it was never formally stated to me that my donations would be used to create children. I was left quite... "
Not once did you ever consider that your sperm would be used to create children ?!! .....you in fact " never gave it a thought" and then in the same sentence you try to shift your blame by saying " I was misled...it was never formally stated ..." . How can anyone be misled when they are not even giving it a thought in the first place !?
You were born with a brain and although it may never have been formally stated that you ought to use it , it's never too late Michael.
PS: Lia, haven't you got anything better to do ? why don't you start your own blog ?
my suggestion to you is : Get a life ! ( your own life )
Thanks for dropping by on my blog and giving me your encouragement to our campaign. I knew that you wouldn't be able to resist sharing a few comments in regards to my "don't be a wanker" campaign. After all there is no one better than you to tell us about wanking especially after answering the following question on national TV on the "SBS Insight program".
"JENNY BROCKIE: Michael Linden, you were donating sperm in the 80’s..
MICHAEL LINDEN, DONOR: 77 actually.
JENNY BROCKIE: 77, did you think about any of this when you were donating sperm?
MICHAEL LINDEN: No, never gave it a thought. I wasn't...I wasn't given any counselling as is offered to donors now. I was...in fact I believe, frankly, I was misled in the sense that I was never.....it was never formally stated to me that my donations would be used to create children. I was left quite... "
Not once did you ever consider that your sperm would be used to create children ?!! .....you in fact " never gave it a thought" and then in the same sentence you try to shift your blame by saying " I was misled...it was never formally stated ..." . How can anyone be misled when they are not even giving it a thought in the first place !?
You were born with a brain and although it may never have been formally stated that you ought to use it , it's never too late Michael.
PS: Lia, haven't you got anything better to do ? why don't you start your own blog ?
my suggestion to you is : Get a life ! ( your own life )
posted by MAX at 2:44 PM
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Hmm... I must say I was offended by Michael's comment about creating a life minus the subtle energies etc etc. I should think that offends anyone using any sort of assisted conception, which seems like an achievement.
Anyway, otherwise I've got nothing to add to what I've already said.
Bea
Max, what you do not realize is that the clinic where I donated was so keen to get their hands on our sperm that they did not particularly care by what means they acquired it. For instance, the friend who told me about the donation program and who was already a donor was therapeutically addicted to but also abusing a mixture of uppers and downers, was also an alcoholic and of questionable mental stability.
I often wonder why this dubious medical history was never picked up in the tests which were conducted on our blood and urine samples. Furthermore, what I stated on the INSIGHT show is in fact true. The staff at the clinic never categorically confirmed to me that my sperm would ultimately be used to create children rather than just used for other clinical testing.
In retrospect, I believe that this uncertainty was promoted in order to ensure that indeed I never went more deeply into the possible outcomes of my donations. After all, if I had been given appropriate counselling it would, from their perspective, have meant potentially losing the valuable commodity which I was so freely and stupidly willing to provide them with.
In short, I sold substantially more than my soul to the Devil for the sum of ten dollars on each of ten occasions.
I presume my brutal honesty about the circumstances and motivations of my donating are offensive to you.
Note well that I am fully empowered to say these things because I am an intelligent human being who has had cause to reflect in depth on the lessons which my life so far has taught me.
One of the greatest lessons so far is that whilst I may not have given much thought to the consequences of my actions when on each occasion I diligently spurted my sperm into the plastic receptacle which I then hurriedly delivered by pushbike to the hospital up the hill from where I lived, when I finally many years later encountered two of the five children I had engendered of whom I was hitherto unaware, it was inescapably crystal clear to me that in no small way I had given those children up to be raised by strangers and that despite this we shared a connection that had never been nor ever will be broken.
I'm sorry that I cannot for your sake, or for that of other TTCs, gild the lily about what my thoughts were when I ejaculated. Purely and simply, I can guarantee I wasn't thinking altruistic thoughts about all the poor infertile couples to whom I would be giving a miracle baby, or gift of life, or whatever other euphemism you want to give it.
It is more likely I was in haste to get the sperm delivered so I could then ride on to get to my English tutorial on time. Or maybe I was thinking about how the hundred dollars I was to earn would help out my young family financially in the month before Christmas that year. Who knows?
In other words, I don't think you are qualified to cast judgement on me. I am quite capable of doing that for myself.
Michael,
It's not the fact that you openly say that you sold your sperm for 10 bucks that "offends" me, it's more the fact that you like to blame everyone else for your own actions...You weren't misled, nobody forced you, you did it of your own accord, ok so maybe it wasn't explained to you thoroughly but had you had any interest in the matter you would have either made sure to know what you were getting into or you would have decided not to donate your sperm....at the end it's still your choice...if you believe you made a mistake then own up to it.
As for having altruistic thoughts when ejaculating into a cup, I don't know where you've been getting this idea from ?! another twisted thought of yours ? , Maybe you need to get out of fairyland, when people are making love I don't think that they are actively thinking about how many nappies they will need to change during the orgasmic phase....plastic cup or not !
That's what my campaign is about, getting people who can take their responsabilities when it comes to donating, people that are willing to be open about it.
It's about raising awareness.
As for this little pearler :
"In other words, I don't think you are qualified to cast judgement on me. I am quite capable of doing that for myself."
You're only too happy to cast judgement on everyone else who doesn't share your views, always there to denigrate and bully your way through, spare us that tear jerking crap, as far as I'm concerned you're fair game ..but let me guess you're one of those people only too happy to ditch it on everybody but can't take it !
'...if you believe you made a mistake then own up to it...'
Just in case you missed something Max:
'Michael Linden is now very close to his new children but donating sperm, he has decided, is "an act of stupidity".
It is grossly irresponsible for "men to intentionally create a situation where a child is never going to know who their biological father is, or if they do find him, may never be able to establish a good relationship with him." '
THE BULLETIN, September 28, 2004
And yes, Max, I am more than ready to shoulder full responsibility for the consequences of my actions. Anything less than that would be bad faith in the classic Existentialist sense.
Your task is to recognize that you yourself (and all the men and women)
who act equally irresponsibly in creating a child with the legacy of such a compromised identity and familial ties are likewise committing an act of stupidity.
You may have to face this realization one day.
I am not trying to bully or denigrate you or even big note myself.
I am merely the little donor who says DON'T.
That has become my purpose and will continue to be my purpose until the sorry practice of donor conception no longer exists on this earth.
Lia,
" Have you ever spoken to a reformed smoker?"
I am a reformed smoker and it has never crossed my mind to go and sue the cigarette companies 20 years later...what ?! you mean to say that cigarette smoking causes cancer ?!! ..that was never formally stated to me ! DOH !
If you had your own life you wouldn't feel the need to come on my blog and do preaching your radical views...
As for you Michael, I'm not sure either what drives you to come on my blog and jump on your soap box...don't you have a blog of your own...do you see me posting stuff in there ?! no...
The only reason I can think of, is that you see me as a threat...afterall your views went unchallenged so far..but hey ! here is someone vocal that live in Australia...and it must be making you feel insecure, so much so that you feel the need to come and justify yourself on my blog regularly.
"I knew that you wouldn't be able to rsist sharing a few comments in regards to my 'don't be a wanker campaign'"
So precisely who is baiting who, Max?
And, for your information, you are not the first person to have challenged our views, but you are by far one of the least intelligent.
I knew you would, I wished you wouldn't ..just because I know that someone is going to leave some smart arse comment on my blog because they disagree with what I have to say doesn't mean I should shut up!
On numerous previous occasions it was formely stated to you to stear clear of this blog unless you behaved in a sensible manner. As a general rule You are NOT welcome here.
Which part don't you understand ?
Max. I wish you didn't have to deal with this. Love to you and Vee.
I'm speechless.
Just FYI for this guy who thinks the US sperm banks would implode if anonymity was taken away.. the trend in banks and donors here is towards known donors. The donor we used is what's called "Willing to Be Known."
My daughter is not a "Half Orphan." Nor is she a mistake, and for you to say that shows a coldness and lack of understanding about ART... which is funny, since you seem to represent yourself as knowing so much.
I wonder... are you as staunchly opposed to adoption?
Max... best of luck to you. You have my support.
-D.
Max. You have gone very silent. I hope that this exchange above, isn't the cause. It would be good to hear from you again. K
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